How do I criticize a media outlet or personality without falling into unintentional promotion? How can I chin-check without sparking up an "Apolegevent"? Don't know, but I'll try anyway.
Ok, let's talk about this guy-
He calls himself "Blackface Jesus".
Now, who cares what his motives are or how he justifies rocking blackface at hipster parties in New York. The problem I have is not with his existence, but the passive acceptance by the other party goers who are with him, and the recurring big-ups he's been getting from Gawker, a blog about NY media.
Nichelle had this to say:
When I first saw the "Blackface Jesus" on Gawker last week, it was just another "Blue States Lose" thing and I just rolled my eyes. Now in their third or fourth post of the guy, the weak joke is turning to be really offensive. An image of a white guy in black face is what got frat boys and Ted Danson in trouble. Now, this kid gets glorified as a symbol of coolness. WTF?!
Jay Smooth, though he was addressing a different situation said something I think fits here:
I've been saying for years that irony is now the last refuge of a coward. A singularly dishonest and deluded sort of coward who imagines his behavior a mark of courage, as he fearlessly refuses to take anything seriously.
Cowardice is the root of all hipster irony.
And this is never more obvious, or more ugly, than when issues of race are involved.
Again, the issue I have is how others react to this guy. For me, this is an example of White male privilege being flaunted at it's worst. He rocks blackface because well, he can. And Gawker can highlight him as a funny ironic joke over and over because they can. Even in New York where Whites are the minority.
It's like saying, "F-- your sensitivity and the history behind this symbol. Even when outnumbered we can do what we want without taking seriously any critique". Well, this is my critique.
This is exactly why I stay away from Williamsburg.
It reminds me of the 'Kill Whitey' fiasco from a few months back.
Posted by: Michael Miraflor (dj mirateck) | 2005.12.08 at 01:49 PM
I don't find this offensive AT ALL. Jesus was black, folks! What is offensive is all of the iconic imagery that portrays him as white. I think it's brilliant.
Posted by: WJC | 2005.12.08 at 01:59 PM
WJC i think what most people find offensive is the use of blackface.
who doesn't know that jesus was black?
Posted by: Michael Miraflor (dj mirateck) | 2005.12.08 at 02:59 PM
Who said this is blackface? Painting your face black doesn't equate to blackface. If someone dressed up as darth vader and painted their face black, it wouldn't be "blackface darth vader," just darth vader. Although "blackface jesus" is a catchy tagline, I don't think it is unreasonable to believe that this man is just dressing up as Jesus and trying to be historically accurate. There isn't anything in his costume to suggest that he is referencing the blackface of the vaudeville era. After all, the blackface of that era was alway entirely black, shoe polish, burnt cork black. The color that this man has chosen to paint his face is clearly bronze.
Posted by: Eli Sweet | 2005.12.08 at 03:49 PM
Eli, he calls himself "Blackface" Jesus. Peep his site
Posted by: Hashim | 2005.12.08 at 04:50 PM
First of all, Jesus wasn't Black. "Black" is a modern term, and far from scientific. It's all about the context of the word. In America, Black means "of African descent." There are plenty of Indians with equally dark skin who are not considered Black. Jesus was not "Black", he simply had dark skin and curly hair. And we should leave it at that.
My only observation on the blackface is that it seems likeit would offend most Black people. Only a person who is not part of the black community would do something like that. I won't say it's wrong, but it suggests white insularity. And I'll leave it at that.
Posted by: i'm the skwidawd | 2005.12.08 at 06:05 PM
Hashim, you're being a hypocrite. Peep your own words.
"Now, who cares what his motives are or how he justifies rocking blackface at hipster parties in New York. The problem I have is not with his existence, but the passive acceptance by the other party goers who are with him..."
"Who cares what his motives are," you write. Well, if you don't care, why are these white partygoers forced to care. And I also agree that the simple act of painting your face black is not racist. That's like seeing a rainbow in a field and assuming the field is gay 'cause, well, we all know rainbows are gay. This man is not mocking black culture, in my opinion. I still think what he is doing is hilarious and acceptable. If he's guilty of mocking anything, he's guilty of mocking religion, not race.
And to answer DJ Mirateck's comment, most people don't know Jesus was black, dark-skinned, whatever. I guarantee you most of Middle America, and most Catholics or Christians for that matter, believe Jesus was white.
Posted by: WJC | 2005.12.08 at 06:36 PM
^^ Religious people aren't exactly known for their critical thinking.
Posted by: i'm the skwidawd | 2005.12.08 at 07:30 PM
^ Hey, generalization time!
The outrage over this is a little troubling. I don't know anything about this guy and this post is the first I've ever heard of him.
But isn't it a little bit of a politically correct knee-jerk to say a white guy can't make himself up like a black jesus in the name of whatever joke or statement he's going for.
In the Melvin Van Peebles flick Watermelon Man a black actor brilliantly plays a white guy who wakes up black one day. Eddie Murphy of course famously did a sketch around the benefits of being made up in "white face". The Wayans brothers got in on the white makeup fun themselves (though that movie looked terrible). Rappers have done it in videos.
Is commenting or satirizing racial attitudes in this fashion only allowed if you're putting on a white-face?
Now it could very well be that this guy's shtick is totally useless. But in what context would it be permissible for a white guy to put on black face makeup in the name of a joke or skewering? I don't accept that it should be automatically off limits. I think the fact that this country does have a double standard about who can say what about race is part of the problem. It encourages people not to talk openly about it.
In the grand scheme of things what some guy is wearing to impress or shock people at a party or on the internet is rather trivial. If "Blackface Jesus" was the punchline of a gag on Family Guy you might be laughing and the irony wouldn't seem so cowardly because we tend to put much more faith in what the "pros" do than in the intelligence of the people around us.
Posted by: rafi | 2005.12.08 at 09:25 PM
No one is going to stop this guy from getting his Blackface on. It just appears culturally insensitive because when you parody a parody of an entire people... it ceases to be parody.
And if you care to challenge me on my "religious people are generally not critical thinkers"... bring it on.
Posted by: i'm the skwidawd | 2005.12.09 at 02:16 AM
this does not upset me a fraction as much as much as people using the word "nigga" (old argument... I know)
when I first saw him I did not put together the idea of Al Jolson with what he is doing and I am probably one of the most PC people you will ever come across, always ready to speak up for ANY race that I think is being stepped on
trust me... he is not clowning a race, he is clowning himslef and an all american idea(s?)... take no offense
Posted by: ladybug | 2005.12.09 at 05:14 AM
I don't know what's up with this Blackface Jesus guy or NY hipsters but I do know that if he was a hip hop blogger, a lot of folks would be saying that you should be worried about the "real enemies".
Not me, of course.
PS-If you don't catch my historical reference, just ignore me. Everyone else does.
Posted by: Clyde Smith | 2005.12.09 at 06:53 AM
You should be worried about the "real enemies."
Also, Jesus is a fairy tale.
Posted by: Bol | 2005.12.09 at 10:11 AM
I think it's worth noting that this Blackface Jesus thing is not happening in a vacuum. There's been a rash of figurative or literal blackface incidents recently, and it's indicative of the larger move in the direction of so-called "political incorrectness." In reality, this is the same racist tripe that was promoted by minstrel shows back in the day. If you're interested, here's my take on it:
http://www.mixedmediawatch.com/index.php/archives/2005/12/blackface-jesus/
Posted by: Carmen | 2005.12.09 at 11:01 AM
I'm fairly certain that Gawker was the one who named Blackface Jesus in the first place. Then BFJ saw his opportunity and took it. Tens of thousands of people read Gawker every day, so now that's what people recognize him as. And yes, his own MySpace profile says Blackface Jesus, because that was the name given to him.
I don't think he was ever trying to dress in blackface. Didn't blackface actors usually have the huge white or red lips painted on? I think BFJ was going for a middle-eastern look, but the whole Blackface thing took off due to Gawker.
Posted by: Jim | 2005.12.09 at 11:05 AM
Honestly....I am glad that he is doing what he is doing... Its quite AMERICAN....
a. in that reminds me to keep my friends close and enemies even closer....
b. It also reminds me that the problem w/ the NAWTH is that Negros and Crackas be actin' like its all good in the hood...see I like it in Jawja/Virgina/South Carolina where they will let me know:
i. Where I can eat and sleep and work.
ii. And which tree I will be hung from if I act up.
Posted by: Model Minority | 2005.12.09 at 12:06 PM
Since no one who is outraged by this answered my question I'll try again. Is it ok for black comedians (Eddie Murphy in Coming To America and that classic SNL short film, Godfrey Cambridge in Melvin Van Peebles' Watermelon Man) to put on white face makeup and act as white people in a comedy?
If so (and I assume we all agree that it's ok) then are you saying it's only black people who are allowed to go there?
The whole idea of Jesus being a non-caucasian freaks out certain ignorant segments of the population. If this guy's shtick is dumb-funny (or smart-funny or both or neither) it looks likely that he's trying to make a statement against that kind of thinking. He's preaching to the choir naturally since he's amongst a like-minded urban crowd and not walking down a street in say Iowa dressed like this. So the only people left to get outraged are those who yes have been taught to knee-jerk at certain things like the idea of blackface.
Or maybe he's mocking the absurd afrocentric contortions of certain pseudo-scholars, namely some of the narrow-minded "intelligentsia" who actually will see his message in nyc or on the internet. Dare we give him that much credit? Well why assume it's impossible. Jokes that fuck up people's assumptions and where it's not easy to dissect the target are in fact a great thing.
Who said someone cant parody a parody? I think you may mean how hard it is to effectively satirize a satire (i.e. Scary Movie satirizing Scream). Blackface or other racist mechanisms werent exactly sophisticated satire. Is Mel Brooks out of line when he makes comedy out of Nazis? How about when he mocks good ol white racism in Blazing Saddles... "Where the white women at?" Could that movie be made today in this environment? How about Network where a white director makes fun of black militants and makes fun of the white system's response to black militancy? How about Network's clear descendant Bamboozled? I just read a Spike Lee interview where he said that movie probably couldn't get made today and nearly wasn't when he made it. What kind of society do we want where certain terrible issues are taboo even to those pointing out their terribleness? Are we only allowed to speak about racism in a non-comedic and narrow way? Oh, you mean in the way that makes no one want to listen and makes no one want to discuss?
Posted by: rafi | 2005.12.09 at 12:29 PM
One more thing... Remind yourself that people (including myself) have complained about some of the lame ass safe attempts by white Hollywood to preach a hollow, self-righteous message or go through the motions on "race pictures" like Ali, Crash, Grand Canyon, etc.
Those people reach millions, make millions and are rewarded handsomely for saying nothing. I'm just suggesting an alternate target. I'll always take a shocking controversial act by an individual over a well-funded bland movie focussed on looking smart and well-intentioned.
Posted by: rafi | 2005.12.09 at 12:52 PM
Hmmm..
When I looked at this guy's myspace page yesterday, one of the pictures had a caption with the word "nigga" in it, something to the effect of "Damn right I drink PBR, nigga!" ..but today I see he removed it:
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=41069848&imageID=342370009&Mytoken=6ABCAF8A-1044-7DA0-99B7151F05A2DB7432646734
Posted by: Jay Smooth | 2005.12.09 at 01:15 PM
1. Blacks as whites. No one cares if you imitate or pretend to be a white person because white people represent the elite of this country. Note, it is always OK to parody presidents and kings and such. Even when white people do it, it's OK because everyone is basically under the king or president. But if the King gets up and is like, "Yeah, I executed a commoner for stealing an apple... he deserved it! Aha ha ha!" ...would you be laughing?
2. Jesus as Black. I am going to suggest that convincing those non-critical religious people that Jesus was not from Europe seems like a low priority.
3. Mel Brooks and Bamboozled. These are two of my favorites. But they also walk that fine line (even if it appears effortless). Spike took a lot of heat, but I back him up. But also, I think you are forgetting one thing... Mel Brooks is a Jew, and Spike Lee is Black. You're gonna have to get used to the unwritten rules on these sorts of things. It's OK for the oppressed to make light of their oppression.
It is understandable that oppressed people get a little weirded-out when their oppressor starts making light of their own oppression. As a white person, if you are truly sincere about changing the situation, then you will act in a way that is sensitive to the situation, not cavalier and self-justifying.
4. An analogy. Let's look at our racial history as an injury. Black people are the hospital patient and white people are the doctor. Do you think it is appropriate for the doctor to crack jokes about the patient's injury?
Posted by: i'm the skwidawd | 2005.12.09 at 01:17 PM
Also, a warning: The latest blackface jesus photo on Gawker has a little full-frontal nudity going on.
(and when i say little, i mean very little.. ba-dum-bum.)
Posted by: Jay Smooth | 2005.12.09 at 04:22 PM
i think it's great that some party guy can dress up like this and get a rise out of you. he's doing exactly what he should do...bothering, irritating, questioning, praising and getting you to think.
Posted by: jack booty | 2005.12.09 at 04:50 PM
The war in Iraq sparks debate and causes me to think, but that doesn't mean I support it or am glad it happened.
It's good to talk about these things. But if the target of the discussion (BFJ) and his cohorts don't do some of their own thinking and learning... then all that discussion and "thinking" is a waste of time.
That said, I agree with the people who say that BFJ is a pretty minor offense. He's just another FOB NYC hipster SOB who testing the waters in a big city.
Imagine BFJ goes up to a Black person and says, "How can I help improve race relations in this country?" I doubt the person will say, "Paint your face black, wrap your body in the American flag, and go to lots of hipster parties."
Posted by: i'm the skwidawd | 2005.12.09 at 05:14 PM
Skiwdawd is 100% on point.
I had a chat with Blackface Jesus on myspace thisd afternoon, which I will post in a minute.
Posted by: Jay Smooth | 2005.12.09 at 05:59 PM
Oh Mel Brooks being Jewish changes things? I'm a Jew too. So was Jesus, he said some crazy shit. Maybe BFJ is Jewish... then it's ok?
You clearly missed my point on the blacks in white makeup that I cited. It was not as simple as lets mock whites on some Def Comedy Jam shit. It was to mock or make a point about racism. I don't think mocking or even just raising the issue of racism in a way that it can't be ignored is the domain of a particular race and can never be done by a white person. That's a dangerous way to think and to me it's counterproductive to the progress that needs to happen in this society in order to confront and curtail racism.
Point #1 and #4 are especially misguided in my opinion. If the racial history is the injury you suggest that Black people are the injured and whites are the doctors? First of all Malcolm X would slap you silly for such an ignorant metaphor. Are you honestly telling me that you expect white people to a) have the ability and understanding then b) the inclination to patch up the wounds of racial history for black people?
And then J-Smooth says you're 100% on point. It's interesting because my favorite post of all time from J-Smooth's site was the one where he linked to this post from Prometheus 6. The situation we're in is that both whites and blacks have been extremely fucked up in very different ways and to different degrees from our collective racial history. Until we are actually willing to openly work towards understanding that, how far can we get as a people?
Posted by: rafi | 2005.12.09 at 06:31 PM
Also are you saying that it's ok for Jews to make jokes about black stereotypes like in Blazing Saddles because according to your post you can only make light of your own oppression.
Posted by: rafi | 2005.12.09 at 06:37 PM
Sorry, the Prometheus 6 link didn't work in my post above.
http://www.prometheus6.org/node/1725
Essential reading ^, please believe me.
One last thought... ultimately any bit of comedy can be allowed *if* it is funny. I'm sure our mutual friend Mel Brooks would agree. In fact I saw him say exactly that to Bob Costas on an episode of Later when I was an impressionable youth. See how long it stuck with me.
And everyone knows that oppressed people tell the best stories and the funniest jokes. I almost went as far as to say that in my feature article on Brer Rabbit at Oh Word but I stopped just short of it.
Posted by: rafi | 2005.12.09 at 06:43 PM
Rafi,
First let me say I respect you and I appreciate your continuing this conversation.
My doctor/patient metaphor was not exactly airtight, I'll give you that. I wasn't implying that doctors are superior and that black people are helpless. Doctors can be just as ignorant and stupid as anyone else (or downright dangerous). Ultimately, the patient is responsible for his health, not the doctor. I wasn't suggesting white people hold all the keys. But I DO believe white people have a responsibility to help, especially by virtue of privelege and power. But, again, the point of the metaphor was the relationship between power, authority, and humor.
With regard to Mel Brooks, I was actually thinking of his Nazi parodies, not the Blazing Saddles stuff. I agree that, on paper, some of those Blazing Saddles jokes look offensive. But Brooks walks that fine line, and the true litmus is do those racial jokes offend people. I think most Black people would feel like they are in on the jokes, and not the butt of those jokes. Blackface Jesus is just weird, and few Black people are gonna feel "in" on that joke.
Ultimately, all of these discussions should boil down to sensivity toward other people.
Ask yourself if you would you go around dressed as Blackface Jesus? I can't imagine you would, because you know it would offend people. You are a sensitive person, not a cavalier hipster. Feel free to correct me, if I am assuming too much.
Posted by: i'm the skwidawd | 2005.12.09 at 06:55 PM
Alas, you are correct. I would not dress as Blackface Jesus.
But it's irrelevant because I really don't have the physique for it. People would be on blogs like what do you make of that Fat Hairy Jesus? Is FHJ offensive to fat hairy people or what?
Posted by: rafi | 2005.12.09 at 07:01 PM
Don't have time to make a lot post right now, but I don't think it's Mel Brooks being jewish that differentiates his work from this guy. It's the fact that Brooks' provocation had thought behind it, and a sincere intent to deal seriously with the issues it raised. It was presented as part of a larger work that made this clear.
Whereas this kid confirmed through his exchange with me that he is indulging in provocation for its own sake, and has no interest in any sincere dialogue about the issues raised by his stunt.
This is where Eric hit the nail on the head:
"As a white person, if you are truly sincere about changing the situation, then you will act in a way that is sensitive to the situation, not cavalier and self-justifying."
Posted by: Jay Smooth | 2005.12.09 at 07:08 PM
Also, I shouldn't have said Skwidawd was 100% on point, because I thought "Bamboozled" was a hot mess. :)
Posted by: Jay Smooth | 2005.12.09 at 07:25 PM
Ha, ditto.
Posted by: rafi | 2005.12.09 at 07:50 PM
Rafi,
First let me say I respect you and I appreciate your continuing this conversation.
My doctor/patient metaphor was not exactly airtight, I'll give you that. I wasn't implying that doctors are
superior and that black people are helpless. Doctors can be just as ignorant and stupid as anyone else (or
downright dangerous). Ultimately, the patient is responsible for his health, not the doctor. I wasn't
suggesting white people hold all the keys. But I DO believe white people have a responsibility to help,
especially by virtue of privelege and power. But, again, the point of the metaphor was the relationship
between power, authority, and humor.
With regard to Mel Brooks, I was actually thinking of his Nazi parodies, not the Blazing Saddles stuff. I
agree that, on paper, some of those Blazing Saddles jokes look offensive. But Brooks walks that fine line,
and the true litmus is do those racial jokes offend people. I think most Black people would feel like they
are in on the jokes, and not the butt of those jokes. Blackface Jesus is just weird, and few Black people
are gonna feel "in" on that joke.
Ultimately, all of these discussions should boil down to sensivity toward other people.
Ask yourself if you would you go around dressed as Blackface Jesus? I can't imagine you would, because you
know it would offend people. You are a sensitive person, not a cavalier hipster. Feel free to correct me, if
I am assuming too much.
Posted by: i'm the skwidawd | 2005.12.09 at 08:06 PM
Ok I finally checked the gawker coverage of this guy.
http://www.gawker.com/news/blackface-jesus/index.php
First of all they're definitely mocking the guy - not giving him props. "Oh, how we misunderstood. He’s not a crackheaded hipster; he’s just a well-meaning environmentalist."
Secondly now that I've seen the context of this starting from some drug-filled "Rated X" party it makes our whole dissection of it feel pretty absurd. What next, shall we deconstruct outfit choices at the annual drag queen fest Wigstock? How about the inter-race relations in porno?
Posted by: rafi | 2005.12.09 at 08:12 PM
Ok I finally checked the gawker coverage of this guy.
http://www.gawker.com/news/blackface-jesus/index.php
First of all they're definitely mocking the guy - not giving him props. "Oh, how we misunderstood. He’s not a crackheaded hipster; he’s just a well-meaning environmentalist."
Secondly now that I've seen the context of this starting from some drug-filled "Rated X" party it makes our whole dissection of it feel pretty absurd. What next, shall we deconstruct outfit choices at the annual drag queen fest Wigstock? How about the inter-race relations in porno?
Posted by: rafi | 2005.12.09 at 08:14 PM
^^ ignore that shit
doh! posted the wrong thing by accident.
What I meant to post...
no doubt, Bamboozled is a hot mess. Dancing in September did the subject a little less offensively.
http://imdb.com/title/tt0219636/
when i saw Bamboozled it just seemed very creepy and weird, like Spike was on this personal quest to indulge some demons. the whole thing is downright pathological. it's hard to watch. but it's unique and it takes a lot of chances. it is a thought-provoking, discussion-sparking movie, but it also represents a major deviation and risk for one of the greatest filmmakers of all-time.
Posted by: i'm the skwidawd | 2005.12.09 at 08:15 PM
I didn't mean ignore rafi, my bad.
Posted by: i'm the skwidawd | 2005.12.09 at 08:31 PM
check out BC where the guy says that it is for peace and love and he wants to spread the message of jesus.
what the fuck is a hipster party any way
Posted by: daesonesb | 2005.12.10 at 01:14 PM
"bfj" is a simple peaceful man, he is not a hipster, he has nothing to do with history.. he is a blank canvas that is promoting peace and harmony.
Posted by: a friend | 2005.12.11 at 02:20 AM
In my own opinion no one really knows if Jesus were black or white but truely I think that the issue goes deeper than that. People try so hard to be something that they are not instead of being who they really are. Now him wearing a black face just tells me that he wants to be "black" but naybe it was a different message that he was trying to portaymzybe one of unity that he wants to be "united". But,who are we to judge I was taught that there is only one God and only he can judge so let him be.Don't slander or attempt to make offensive comments like "jesus is black people" because truth is we all offend someone at least once a day but its the action that you take after you do it that matters. Life and the people in it can challenge your beliefs but they can't overcome your thoughts because only you know what you are thinking.
Posted by: konwledgefromabove | 2005.12.13 at 11:17 AM
As in Eli Sweet’s post above, I don’t believe that he’s dressing in vaudevillian blackface. Nothing else in his costume suggests that.
The name ‘Blackface Jesus’ was thrust upon him by Gawker, who clearly mock him in later posts. Being a hipster and wanting acclaim/notoriety he accepted this sobriquet.
I think what he’s doing is more an ironic take on Western views and depictions of Jesus as white, when clearly, being of Middle Eastern origin, in reality he wasn’t.
Also, by having a ‘darker’ face and an obviously less dark body, he’s questioning (or makes us question) whether Jesus’ race really mattered. He’s both ‘black’ and ‘white’, a sort of ‘Jesus is all’. If an individual assigns Jesus a particular race, then it’s a personal decision based upon what works for them, and upon their perception of themselves as being related to Jesus. If they’re Black, they’d be more likely to see Jesus as Black, like them. Same with whites.
Finally, I don’t think it’s necessarily his intentions (or unintentions) that are important, something always hard to judge when hipsters are being ironic. More important is our reaction or lack of reaction to what we’re presented with. I believe it’s a religious and cultural criticism rather than a ‘race issue’.
Posted by: Howie | 2005.12.15 at 10:16 AM
Hey, everybody.
I think we should all sit back and realize that he is TRYING to get a rise out of people and that you are all taking it way too seriously.
Also, I feel that anyone who sees this as an insult to the black community should actually bother to look deeper into this than just checking Gawker.
Being actually acquainted with NY nightlife, unlike the majority of the people who posted here, would know about Blackface Jesus's much-less-famous best friend. That would be Whiteface Pope, who will, on occasion, go to parties with Blackface Jesus. And, you guessed is, it's a black guy who paints his face white and dresses like the Pope.
If anything, religious people would be offended by any of this. Not black people.
Posted by: Mif | 2008.04.12 at 12:48 PM
Hey everyone
I am from Milwaukee which is hyper segregated, NO ONE here in there right mind in the Riverwest neighborhood ( which is the "hipster" area of the city, actually more multiracial than most of the rest of Milwaukee) would pull that sh*t that BFJ is doing. Everyone here is confronted face to face every day with Milwaukee's racial problems unless you live in the burbs, because Milwaukee is a smaller city. You can't avoid it, so I think there is more sensitivity to racial issues. Anyway, however you want to rationalize this jackass's behavior, it's not cool.
Posted by: Nikki | 2008.07.31 at 12:30 AM
Hummm, This really got me thinking,,,,,
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